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Lenten reflection 5: I’m probably way off base

A New Kind of Christianity: Ten Questions That are Transforming the Faith

A New Kind of Christianity: Ten Questions That are Transforming the Faith by Brian McLaren

A Christian synchroblog that I have written with sometimes in the last few years has sort of gone extinct.  Every now and again a theme for a synchronized blog raises its head from the mire of the busy bloggers’ lives. When Steve Hayes suggested that we all write about the 10 questions from Brian McLaren’s new book, at first I harumphed, knowing that McLaren is not my flavor of Christian, but he is admired by many people that I admire, so I thought I better get over myself and at least read the questions.  

McLaren is an evangelical post-modern Christian.  And what, might you say, is THAT animal?  Well, you should read about his truly ground breaking work on one of my favorite blogs ‘Homebrewed Christianity’.  He and Richard Rohr are tight.  Along with some other big thinkers like Phyllis Tickle.  So his ideas and work have great validity.  Anglican bishop Alan Wilson says on his blog Bishop Alan’s Blog: Discipleship starts with 10 Questions

You may find his answers disturbing, but I challenge any who care about following Jesus today not to profit from asking these questions. However you answer them, they supply an agenda for anyone wanting to follow Jesus honestly and authentically. Read this Book.

But I have to say, in respect and humility: are these the best questions he can come up with?  I have not yet read the book, and I’m sure his answers will be enlightening.  But the questions…ah, they leave my heart a stone.

Someone has said, ‘never trade a great question for a mediocre answer.’   Good advice.  And vicey versa.

Brian McLaren’s Ten questions:

1. What is the overarching story line of the Bible?  
2. How should the Bible be understood?  
3. Is God violent? 
4. Who is Jesus and why is he important?
5. What is the Gospel?
6. What do we do about the Church?
7. Can we find a way to address human sexuality without fighting about it?
8. Can we find a better way of viewing the future?   
9. How should followers of Jesus relate to people of other religions? 
10. How can we translate our quest into action?

Sorry, my friendly synchrobloggers.  I can’t do these questions.  The only one that remotely speaks to me is the first one, and that’s because it involves speaking the truth in mythological language. 


OK, OK… eventually I’ll read the book.

 

In the meantime here are my own ten questions, for what they’re worth. Not sure that wrestling with them would change the world, but it does change my world. 

1. How is the membrane of any cell in my body similar to the surface of the earth?

2. How does the human heart perceive truth, beauty, wisdom?

3. Since the wisdom of the ancient ones and the elders is available to us in so many forms, what is it going to take for us to actually listen to what they have to say?

4. What if Jesus had really said something like this to the woman at the well, “If you knew that all you had to do was get in the River of Life and let it overtake you, you would then become the River and you would never thirst again.”

5. What if the Bible is only a snapshot of truth, a collection of moments that is no more or less important than any other moments of expressed wisdom?  What if revelation is truly not only on-going, but comes from a host of sources—including animals, rocks and the sky?

6. Why do we weep at the blue of a baby’s eye?

7. What if God really is a process and is hosted in our cellular memory: learning and mutating and hurting and changing?

8. What if the only book we ever needed to 'read' was to look carefully, prayerfully at a microbe or a constellation?

9. What if the muffled screams of Congolese women who are being raped and tortured is the groan of God being heard as if for the first time? Like a birth-pang of a new universe?

10. What if the dead bodies of supposedly failed summiteers that litter the sides of the highest Himalayan mountains are the only offerings that those sacred mountains will accept in exchange for their degradation? What if these frozen facsimiles of humans are thus keeping the world intact?

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Anyone want to answer any of these questions or write your own?

Here's a list of posts to the synchroblog suggested by Steve.  Great reads!

  • The Evening of Kent: Ten questions that might transform something.
  • The AnteChurch: Synchroblog: A new kind of Christian?
  • Beth Patterson : Lenten reflection 5: I’m probably way off base
  • A New Kind of Christianity: My Answers to Ten Questions: Ryan Peter Blogs and stuff
  • Pastor Phil's Square No More: Answering McClaren's 10 questions before reading the book
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    This post on the VTH is also the 5th in a series of Lenten reflections. Over the time of Lent friends and I are doing a Lenten study course with Christine Valters Paintner from the wonderful  Abbey of the Arts I will be writing some of my reflections, returning to ancient practices that can help me renew my most sacred vows.  This is not easy or done without discernment, having left most religious ‘trappings’ behind.  But I’m feeling drawn to revisit and see them with new eyes, as if for the first time.  I hope you will consider traveling with me/us on this pilgrimage to the Heart of the Matter.   There are challenges to just reading the words of Biblical scripture. Challenges to allowing my heart door to creak open to their meaning, much of which feels so irrelevant and discordant with what I know of God's love to be.  And I’m determined to be on my way.

    Lenten reflection 1: Ashes on my third eye

    Lenten reflection 2: Having it my way

    Lenten reflection 3: Hell is breaking out in the kingdom of God

    Lenten reflection 4: Four words

     

     

    Published Tuesday, March 09, 2010 1:27 AM by Beth Patterson

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    sue said:

    wow. much, much better questions, inclusive questions for everyone.

    March 9, 2010 9:25 AM
     

    tania said:

    Wow!  Thanks for the incredible video on the home page AND the incredible re-frame of the questions.  You know how much I love questions that start with "what ifs"...would absolutely love to see your answers to them.  Such deep places you dwell in, remind me of ... introduce me to.    

    March 9, 2010 9:59 AM
     

    Kimber said:

    I love your questions.  Much better.  I would rather spend the rest of my life trying to answer these than one day answering the others... not because I don't like Brian, but because these are HEART questions that necessitate change!

    March 9, 2010 1:18 PM
     

    Kathryn Ruth said:

    after reading this earlier, it's been on my mind all day. i'm sure i won't be eloquent here, but i decided at some point that i'm ultimately unsatisfied with both sets of ten questions. you are right, the first set seem to set up what must be another 'set of rules'; and actual answers. your set wants for more spirituality and less church (and I suppose jesus was mentioned); less wisdom coming from human voices and more from sources of earth, or story.

    i wish i could put my finger on it, for then i would share it with you, but your 'what if' questions really annoyed me. please don't see this as criticism. irritation is usually a sign that i need to pay attention.

    i also fail in having better questions. or answers. or in reading many books like this. the only question that rings around my head all the time, for quite some time has been (and for irony, it is a 'what if'): we don't get to know. what if we don't get to know?

    March 10, 2010 12:30 AM
     

    Beth Patterson said:

    thanks, Sue, Timber, Tania for coming by and stopping for a spel.

    And thanks Kathryn Ruth for putting out there some pen-ultimate questions.  What if...we don't get to know.  And upping the ante--what if there's nothing 'out there', nothing to 'know'?  What if, like a tree or Jack Nicholson, this is as good as it gets?  I would love to see your pondering/response as a post to your blog here on the VTH--and show us your struggle-muscles...if you care to...

    and for the record--I don't have an issue with wisdom coming from human voices--but I do have an issue with wisdom only coming from 'some' voices instead of all.   The wisdom of animals, wind and water, landscape is less easily co-opted, it would seem.  

    March 10, 2010 1:43 AM
     

    Beth Patterson said:

    And...the real question is:

    How then do we live our life--more impassioned, committed, grounded, aware, open-hearted.

    March 10, 2010 9:48 AM
     

    Kathryn Ruth said:

    "10. How can we translate our quest into action?" ?

    Quick question for you: if these are your 'ten questions that are transforming the faith'... (oh, there it is - I was wondering if the book's author had Answers that were transformational - because his questions were not) ...anyway, considering these questions you pose - what do you think most is in need of transformation?

    I wonder what the author's take on that is too.

    March 10, 2010 10:09 AM
     

    Beth Patterson said:

    KR--it's my heart which is prone to worry and fear of consequences.  When I 'see' people who are living their passions out in the world, especially if that passion involves brightening a corner of the darkness,  I am inspired, challenged and chagrined.  But yet...I sit in my corner, doing what I can to light a fire, but I'm still not fully engaged.  I'm not totally lit on fire, ready to be consumed.

    My questions are more on the feminine aspects of God as Embodiment.  In the past I thought that I needed more masculine energy for wholeness. But where I am right now is that I need to go more deeply into the feminine, as when I touch into that deeper place there is no separation between the two aspects of the divine.

    March 10, 2010 10:45 AM
     

    DancesWL said:

    BP and KR, others:  I am enjoying all of this juicy discussion.  I don't think we get to "know" for this is unknowable from the human perspective.  Even when we have "ecstatic" spiritual experiences that we feel inform us of the "truth" of this matter, it could just be our right brain firing while our left brain rests (see Jill Bolte Taylor's "My Stroke of Insight").

    But we have lost the connection to the "godliness" in ourselves which informs us, brings wisdom and nourishes us.  This "god of us" requires the balance of left and right, masculine and feminine, bright and dark and most of humanity took a turn away from the feminine thousands of years ago.  We are paying for it now and need to find it again in a mighty way!

    Isn't a big part of "being on fire" embracing the mystery? about being so excited about the next unknown?  That's what eludes me so much of the time.

    And are there really separate voices? or is it when we allow that there is no separateness, when we allow our quantum particles to dance with the quantum particles of the "other" that we (both "others") "hear" the wisdom that our dance produces?

    Oh, my...I am tired now, but I'm also quenched.  Thank you KR for the courage to challenge and thank you, as always Beth for being the person who puts the pot on the fire and stirs, that we may all come and add an ingredient or two and sip together!  Love to all!

    March 10, 2010 11:28 AM
     

    A new kind of Christianity « Khanya said:

    March 10, 2010 9:46 PM
     

    A New Kind of Christianity: My Answers to Ten Questions « Ryan Peter Blogs and stuff said:

    March 11, 2010 2:11 AM
     

    Dusting Myself Off and McClaren’s 10 Questions said:

    March 12, 2010 1:50 AM
     

    Beth Patterson said:

    Today I voiced croaked, if you will, for the first time that I want to step out of the role of supporting

    March 12, 2010 1:28 PM
     

    Bill Ellis said:

    At the General Convention of the Episcopal Church I went to a service put on and hosted by Brian Mclaren. I left at the first convenient and not-too-embarassing-for-me moment.  I will use your phrase, the kindest that I can access, and simply say he is not my flavor either.  I believe that the reason he is not my flavor or yours is illustrated by his questions.  Mclaren's questions emerge from concern for institutional development, which is a perfectly valid and biblical issue.  Your questions emerge from a completely different place; your questions emerge from a prophetic heart that sees the essential meaninglessness of an institution unconnected with the world in which it lives.  Also a perfectly valid and bliblical issue. Dare I say that so far as we know, it was the same heart that beat in the breast of Jesus.    

    March 12, 2010 8:19 PM
     

    Beth Patterson said:

    Bill--

    Your words are helpful in the ongoing unpacking of these issues.  There are large schisms in the warp and woof of our religious world.  My heart is somehow tuned to the frequency of the discordance.  Thank you for helping me identify what sometimes feels in-my-face as prophetic voice finding expression.  

    What is interesting to me is that although I feel the pain of the religious institution that is crumbling from lack of connection to the rhythms of its environment, I feel no need to try to help it or fix it.  Not from lack of respect or honoring for what it has been, but rather from honoring that dialectic that says all things become synthesized through colliding with their nemesis/antithesis. And that the real pain comes from not allowing that organic process to happen.  It feels like much of the pain of the (religious) world currently is about trying to maintain structures, systems and indeed beliefs that may have worked in a different time.

    It's also interesting to think of these two sets of questions as possibly thesis/antithesis. In which case...synthesis is the next dance step.  

    March 13, 2010 1:36 AM
     

    Liz said:

    Beth - Just fyi...the questions in Brian's book were not "his" questions - they were questions he kept hearing from others as he traveled around the world.  He actually became frustrated that he couldn't talk about other things that he considered more important because these questions kept taking up all the time/space.  As I understand it, he hopes that by answering these questions a space will open up for other more important questions and conversations.

    March 13, 2010 3:01 PM
     

    Beth Patterson said:

    Hi Liz--

    Thanks for that information--it's helpful in applying the context!

    Hope you are well--

    Beth

    March 14, 2010 9:18 AM
     

    Jay Jordet said:

    Beth;

    I was at the Old Stone Church on this March night in 2010 and heard your presentation on the Radical Jesus.  I joined Twitter just so I could catch up with you.  I don't really know how twitter works or if and when you will read this particular response on this particular blog at this particular tea house.  

    I would like to leave you with a song since I am good to go on sailing on this beautiful sea with nets of silver and gold.  

    "Oh the wind it is a song that harbors through the winter.  Oh the sail it is a door that bids the song to enter.  So let us sail the sea good friend and let us sing together.  Though singing lasts a season long, the song, it lasts forever."

    Sung as a round by Ibana, a woman's singing group. Title, "Good Friend".

    Toni Anderson (now Toni Ryan) is my best friend.  We sang this together often before she sailed to Arizona by way of the Grand Canyon.

    J. Jordet

    March 15, 2010 1:56 AM

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